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Experience description 3422:  

This is a rather lengthy dialogue, so I hope you are patient.

Before getting to the experience, itself, please allow me to tell a little about myself, as I feel that it might, hopefully, give a little insight into how atypical the experience was, when compared to my personal lifestyle and beliefs at the time.

To put it in a few words, science had always been my 'god,' as it were, even from early childhood. My family was completely non-religious in any and every way. Other than to scoff, I can remember no discussion of religion or God at any time while growing up.

By the time I was twelve, I had gotten my amateur radio operator's license. That same year, my uncle, who was a nuclear physicist, took me through the cyclotron (a now-outmoded subatomic particle accelerator) in the high-energy physics building at the University of Washington, which so impressed my young, idealistic mind that I, then and there, decided to become a theoretical physicist. I was hooked on science from that point on.

In high school, I was a teacher's assistant for the biology teacher, which then made me want to become a physician.

After joining the navy, I went through electronics school, thereafter working on the radars, radios, and other electronics equipment aboard ship.

After being discharged, I entered the University of Washington and got a BS in biology, then taught high school physics and chemistry for thirty-six years, before retiring in 2005.

All science.

Anything that smacked of the so-called 'paranormal' would give cause for me to only smirk, give an eye roll, or laugh outright at such nonsense. Such things as near-death experiences, spiritual matters, or other-worldly events seemed to be only so much New Age silliness, equal in credibility to the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. If something couldn't be observed, repeated, measured, and explained by a logical theory embraced by  mainstream science, then it wasn't worth my time; all else existed only in the realm of conjecture and was, therefore, 'unscientific.' 

But all of that was turned upside down within about five minutes at around the age of 59 or 60 (I can't remember the exact date, now).

But before, I can get to the experience, itself, I must explain a little more. Once again, please bear with me, as I feel it is relevant.

Teaching, if done correctly, is a very high-stress job. Preparing for each day's classes, especially for a physics and chemistry teacher, requires a lot of activity. Aside from the already-hectic pace that other teachers must keep (photocopying hand-outs, grading papers, planning lessons, filling out office/counselor-generated paperwork, communicating with parents, calculating & posting grades, attending faculty and parent meetings, etc.), there were lab.s to prepare, chemical to mix, and lab.s to clean up. All in all, it was a seemingly impossible regimen.

But, far more important than any of that, of course, was the act of teaching, itself. My students were juniors and seniors who were taking physics and chemistry because they were college-bound. They would leave my physics class in June, after their senior year, only to be sitting in a college-level physics class three months later. It was my job to prepare them for that highly competitive setting, a responsibility that I took very seriously. They, in turn, were serious, hard-working kids who would often show up at my lab door, TI-83 graphing calculators in hand, both before and after school, wanting help with understanding a difficult concept or physics equation. They were great kids and truly a privilege to teach.

But, in order to keep pace, I would arrive at school before the other teachers. For much of the year, it would be dark, and my car would be the only one in the faculty parking lot. In order to gain entrance to the building, I had to key in a numeric pass code, which deactivated the Sonitrol alarm system. The only other person on campus at that time was usually the custodian, who was always on the far end of the campus, setting up chairs in the cafeteria, several buildings away from the science wing. He would then work his way northward, unlocking doors, turning on lights and the ventilation systems, moving toward the science wing, arriving much later.

After entering the building and deactivating the alarm system, my routine was to immediately go into my lab., then into my little office, where I would relax by meditating for about half an hour. And, no, it wasn’t any type of religious-oriented meditation, of course, but consisted of merely sitting in my office chair with my eyes closed, relaxing, and clearing my mind in preparation for the ensuing, fast-paced day. There have been an abundance of good, scientific studies, done by reputable university physiology labs, which demonstrate the benefits, both physical and mental, of quiet meditation, so I was completely onboard with all that. No mantrams, no incense, no bells, no weird postures, crystals or other such silly trappings, just quiet, peaceful relaxation.

Now to my experience.

On the morning of my bizarre experience, I had been meditating like that for probably twenty minutes, when I experienced something which sounds like an anecdote from a psychiatrist’s notebook, taken during an interview with a psychopathic patient. Even at this point, I hesitate to describe it, for fear of being viewed as a complete nut case, but here goes: All of a sudden, the room was filled with a very strong smell of roses.  I can’t overemphasize the words ‘very strong,’ as it was as though someone had opened a bottle of rose-scented perfume and poured it onto the floor of my little office. The smell was so strong that it actually made me suddenly jolt/stiffen in my chair and open my eyes, as though I had been physically prodded in some way. My immediate reaction was a startle response and disbelief at what I was experiencing. I then opened the office door and stepped out into the lab to see what was going on, but, to my surprise, the air in the lab. was completely normal at that point; no smell except that overpowering one within my office, itself.

I stood there with my mouth open, trying to make sense of it all, beginning to doubt my own sanity, when, at that point, I heard the large, heavy doors at the end of the outer hallway clang, as they shut, indicating that someone had just entered the building. I crossed the lab and stepped out, into the hall to see two of my colleagues arriving at school, lunches in hand. So I waved to them, asking them to come. They did, with puzzled looks on their faces, and asked what was up.

After having them come into the lab and approach the door to my office, I very carefully avoided saying anything other than, “Do you notice anything?” Those were my exact words. I was cautious to avoid saying anything that would ‘steer,’ or, lead them to the strange experience that I was trying to understand. One of them, a biology teacher, said, “I smell roses.” (By that time, the smell had then drifted out of my office to the area directly in front of the door, where we were standing) I then looked at the other colleague without saying anything, and he nodded in affirmation. I then told them what had happened. The first one, who said, ‘I smell roses,’ simply laughed and said, “See, I told you so. Somebody is trying to tell you something.” This comment was in reference to the fact that she & I would often engage in friendly, joking banter about religion and God, as she is a Christian and I, in turn, would often tease her about believing in such silly things as a guy floating around in an ark full of giraffes, elephants, etc. At that point she just laughed, turned, and walked away. The other teacher, a staunch atheist, simply rolled his eyes, shook his head and walked off, smiling, as though he was in the company of two crazies.

So there it is. It might not sound like much to the hearer of such a story, but I guess it’s one of those things that you would have to experience yourself, in order to feel the full impact of it. If anyone had told me such a thing, as stated, I would have dismissed it as being simply an olfactory hallucination (there is such a thing, albeit rare, when compared to the incidence of visual or auditory hallucinations).

However, I now had to deal with several facts:

1. Two other people verified what I sensed---without any prompting at all.

2. I was alone in the building, having deactivated the alarm system.

3. Even if anyone else had entered my lab., I would have easily heard them, since the building was totally quiet. The ventilation system had not yet been turned on, so it was very quiet.

4. Immediately upon getting out of my chair and stepping out of the office, the overpowering smell was not noticeable in the lab., itself. It was present only in my little office, a room that is about fifteen feet in length and width. How is that possible?

What that whole incident was about, what it meant, and how it happened, I will never know.

After doing research, I have not been able to find another similar account, except a few mentioning's of the smell of roses as being believed by many to indicate that someone has died. However, I did not know of anyone who had died at that time. So, although I have little to no hope that anyone else could shed light on what it meant, I guess that I am, nevertheless, casting a net of  inquiry, hoping for an answer to a question that would seem to be unanswerable.

The only thing that has come out of the whole bizarre incident, for me, is that I now know, beyond any reasonable doubt (as they say in a courtroom) that there truly is far more to this universe and life than can be accounted for by mainstream science. Beyond that, I have no idea what there is ‘out there.’

Physics, as with other sciences, is not concerned with the 'why' of the phenomena which we experience in this life, but rather the 'how.' The whole notion of 'why' things happen implies a goal-oriented purposefulness that, in turn, implies a driving intelligence behind such a goal. As soon as you begin to question why things happen, you leave the realm of objectivity and enter the subjective, nebulous realm of conjecture; e.g., we all know how genetic information is propagated via transcription and translation within the cell, but why it is so remains a mystery that is not the stuff of science, but rather metaphysics, philosophy, and theology. For that reason, I can only walk away from my experience with a 'beyond reasonable doubt' that what happened was impossible to explain via the current standard scientific model. Furthermore, in this case, I cannot even begin to explain how it could have happened, let alone why it happened.

So now, twenty years later, I am still left in a state of confused amazement, but also with an open mind to matters that, before, I would never have considered possible.

Thank you for reading my account. Admittedly, I don't really know why I am going to the bother to relate all of this, other than to 'get it off my chest,' I guess.

Any associated medications or substances with the potential to affect the experience?      No     

Was the kind of experience difficult to express in words?          No     

At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event? No     

What was your level of consciousness and alertness during the experience?    I was in a meditative state of mind; relaxed and tranquil.

           
Was the experience dream like in any way?  Not at all.

Did you experience a separation of your consciousness from your body?   No     

What emotions did you feel during the experience?         I was totally startled, amazed, and confused at what was happening.

Did you hear any unusual sounds or noises?         No

LOCATION DESCRIPTION:  Did you recognize any familiar locations or any locations from familiar religious teachings or encounter any locations inhabited by incredible or amazing creatures?         No     

Did you see a light?        No     

Did you meet or see any other beings?         No     

Did you experiment while out of the body or in another, altered state?         No     

Did you observe or hear anything regarding people or events during your experience that could be verified later?          Yes    'What I smelled was almost immediately verified by two other people who had not been present when I first smelled it. They had no idea what I was referring to, when I asked them if they noticed anything.

Did you notice how your 5 senses were working, and if so, how were they different? Yes    This question is stated rather ambiguously. Did you mean to say, 'Did you notice if your 5 senses were working differently, and if so, how were they different?' My senses, themselves, were working normally; however, what I sensed was very abnormal, given the circumstances.

Did you have any sense of altered space or time?  No     

Did you have a sense of knowing, special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose?         No     

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure?           No     

Did you become aware of future events?      No     

Were you involved in or aware of a decision regarding your return to the body?          No     

Did you have any psychic, paranormal or other special gifts following the experience that you did not have prior to the experience?         No     

Did you have any changes of attitudes or beliefs following the experience?     Yes    I now realize that there are things in this world/life that cannot be explained by logical, rational scientific methodology using the standard model of physics and biology. Before this event occurred, I was truly a close-minded person regarding anything that smacked of the 'paranormal,' spiritual, etc. as being nothing more than nonsense; however, I am now open-minded to such possibilities, after being directly, unintentionally involved in such a paranormal phenomenon.

How has the experience affected your relationships? Daily life? Religious practices? Career choices?   No

Has your life changed specifically as a result of your experience? Yes    As already stated, I now am more open-minded about paranormal ideas.

Have you shared this experience with others?       Yes          For a while, I was reticent to even mention such a strange thing; however, since it was what it was, I realized that I was being more 'non-scientific' by not opening up to others and discussing it. The reaction to the whole thing has been mixed by others, with some being surprised and others simply writing it off as being explicable by some logical reason, such as perhaps somebody passed my office who was wearing rose-scented perfume--a facile hypothesis that would be completely impossible, given the tight circumstances given, such as the quietness of the area at the time, the fact that I was sitting behind three sets of locked doors, I knew that I was alone in the building just having turned off the Sonitrol, the fact that the smell existed only in my office, not outside of it, and--most of all--the overpowering strength of the odor, itself.

What emotions did you experience following your experience? Extreme disbelief and confusion. Initially, I began to question my own senses, which is why I asked my colleagues who had just arrived, if they noticed anything. This question was stated in a completely neutral manner; i.e., without giving any hints as to what I expected them to notice.

What was the best and worst part of your experience?          The best: It was an eye-opener in the sense that I now--somehow--have been 'given' (I almost hate to use that word) the knowledge that there is a whole realm of unexplored phenomena that lies outside of what we normal experience; just what it is I cannot even begin to surmise.

The worst: I am now left, twenty years later, wondering, as do most people, I'm sure, 'what's it all about?'

Is there anything else you would like to add concerning the experience? No, I think that pretty much says it all, as there isn't much else one can say about such an unfathomable experience.

Following the experience, have you had any other events in your life, medications or substances which reproduced any part of the experience?       No     

Did the questions asked and information you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience?           Yes    Once again, this question is rather ambiguous/awkward. Since the questions can't describe my experience, I will have to ignore that part of this question. And, as to the information that I provided regarding my experience, I certainly hope that I described it comprehensively. Am I missing something here?

Please offer any suggestions you may have to improve this questionnaire.       Your survey questionnaire is very good and I really can't think of any obvious improvements, except perhaps one minor one: on page 2, you have a question, 'After your experience, how did you consider the contents of your experience'; the offered responses were 'frightening,' 'wonderful,' and 'mixed.' However, my reaction to the experience was none of those, but what I would say was 'Confused,' which might be an additional category to offer for responders.  Thank you for your time and effort in doing all of this, as it is very interesting, to say the least.

 

 

Experience description 2516:

Okay, this is probably going to sound completely crazy to anyone who reads it.  I know that it seemed crazy to me, when it happened, and still does.  But no matter how it sounds, I can guarantee you that it did happen exactly as I am about to describe, and it was an event that was verified by two completely independent witnesses. 

It is this last fact that should lend credibility to the account, for anyone who is skeptical.  Of course, for those who prefer to remain skeptical, I suppose they can just assume that I am either lying or else I was, in some way, delusional or otherwise mistaken.  As to the former, I can say that I really don�t care whether anyone believes this account of what I experienced or not, because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything period. I know what happened, and whether or not anyone else believes it is their problem, not mine.  As to the question of whether or not I was delusional or simply mistaken, I guess that you would simply have to trust my sanity, as well as that of the two other people who verified the experience, both science teachers.  I, too, would probably smile and roll my eyes, if I had been told of such an incident.  However, again, as stated, this event was verified by two other individuals, one of whom is a very skeptical individual by nature, a person who prides himself as being a purist, in terms of being scientific and objective.  In fact, I would go beyond that label, viewing him as being not just a skeptic, but rather a cynic.

The entire incident took only about five minutes, from beginning to end, and will probably not sound all that interesting to anyone who was not present.  As with anything, hearing about such an occurrence is nothing like experiencing it, firsthand. 

About ten years ago, it was, as it still is, my practice to begin each day with a half-hour period of quiet meditation, so as to calm my mind, thereby �setting the pace� for the forthcoming, hectic day.  Back then, before I retired, it was far more challenging to remain calm, as my days were stressful from beginning to end. The beginning usually consisted of students standing at my classroom door, needing help with either physics or chemistry, even before I had unlocked it;  this, of course, prevented me from being able to mix chemicals, set up labs, or even go down and do some photocopying, all normal, essential preparations for any lab. science teacher.  And, after the last bell rang at the end of the day, there were usually students coming in, wanting help, as well; many of these were not even my students, but rather those from other teachers� classes.  And so it went.  The stress continued even after I got home, right up to bedtime, when I had usually just finished grading a stack of papers or previewing the next day�s lesson plans.  In between those two daily endpoints, I had to keep my eye on the clock, pacing my every word and thought, so as to ensure that I covered everything in the day�s lesson.  Life in the classroom is literally run by bells which ring every hour, every day, every week.  It is not a laid-back endeavor, if you �teach bell-to-bell,� as the saying goes, in the education game. And so, to lower my stress, I would arrive earlier than anyone else, in order to get this meditation time in.  The only other person on campus at that time was the custodian, who was always way down on the lower end of the campus, unlocking doors and setting up the cafeteria.  The parking lot was empty, each morning, and I would enter the building, go into my lab., and without turning on any lights, go into my office, where I would settle into my chair, close my eyes and just clear my mind for the next half hour.  The outer doors at either end of the hallway were large, heavy, and would shut with a resoundingly loud clang, allowing me to hear, if anyone entered the quiet building at that time of day. 

On the morning in question, I had been sitting there, alone in the dark and quiet, for about the entire half hour, meditating with my eyes closed, when suddenly, I smelled roses.  It wasn't just a faint, mild scent of roses, but a very strong, powerful smell, as though someone had just thrust a large bouquet of roses directly under my nose.  It was such a powerful smell that it caused me to stiffen in my chair and open my eyes, wondering what was going on.  During the entire time that I had been meditating, I had not heard anyone enter the building.  The whole room now smelled like roses, so I stepped out of my office, into the dark classroom and looked around, then stepped out into the long hallway, looking both directions. The classroom was empty and the hallway was likewise.  It was just at this point that the door far down at the end of the hallway opened, and I saw two of my colleagues, Matt and Gayle, entering from the parking lot, lunches in hard.  They were the first to enter the building, after I had arrived, about a half hour earlier.  I yelled at them, and asked them to come down to my room.  They looked puzzled, as they came into the lab, asking me what was up.  I didn�t say anything, but asked them to come into my office, where I said, �Do you notice anything?� That was all that I said, not wanting to give any further information.  Matt, still looking puzzled, said that he smelled roses, and when I looked at Gayle, she nodded in affirmation.  When they repeated their question about wanting to know what was going on, I had to admit that I didn�t really know what was going on, except that I had been meditating in my office, when I, too, was suddenly jolted �awake� by the powerful smell of roses.  Matt then simply looked at me, grinned, shook his head, as though I was crazy, and walked off, into his classroom, which adjoined mine.  Gayle, the other science teacher laughed, and, as she walked off, jokingly said, �I told you so, Ray.  Somebody's trying to tell you something!�  This remark came as a private joke between us, as she, being quite the opposite from Matt, is a very devout Christian, who had often joked with me about my unbelief in such spiritual matters as the existence of God, and would often say that one day, sooner or later, I would finally realize the truth. 

By this time, the smell has almost entirely dissipated, and I was left standing, wondering what had happened�as I still do.

  A little background information/perspective: My office was a small room situated within a larger room (the lab/classroom), all located within the science building, so there were no doors or windows leading to the outside of the building.  There was absolutely nobody else in the building, except myself.  The doors to my class/lab were locked, so nobody, even if they had entered the building, could have gotten within at least thirty feet of me, and would have been out in the hallway, beyond the classroom walls.  The ventilation system had not yet been activated. Even if it had been activated and if someone had spilled rose-smelling perfume in the next room, for example, I would not have been able to smell it in my office.  The ventilation system is a good one, and was constructed in such a way that I could never smell the fumes from the adjoining labs, even on days when they were conducting dissections that involved very strong-smelling biological preservatives, fumes that were so powerful as to require them to open their doors, during the dissections. 

I have no idea as to what caused the phenomenon which all three of us had witnessed, and I have no guesses as to what it could have been or what significance, if any, it could have had. 

Much later, it occurred to me that Matt's parting grin must have been either a nervous grin, due to his own inability to explain what he, himself, said that he smelled, or else he must have thought that I had perpetrated some sort of odd hoax for the fun of it.  It seems remarkable that neither Matt nor Gayle ever mentioned the incident again.  How can anyone, who, by their own admission, has just witnessed something as inexplicable as that, not seemingly give it any thought, afterwards?!    I can understand how, for Gayle, it might simply have been an event that somehow squared with her spiritual beliefs, thus not being anything too extraordinary.  But, even so, you would think that she would have at least reflected back on it, at some later point.  Their nonchalant, indifferent attitude toward something that can only be described as being paranormal is, to me, anyway, almost as incredible as the event, itself.

Any associated medications or substances with the potential to affect the experience?     No      


Was the kind of experience difficult to express in words? No       Not difficult to express, as it was not ineffable; however, it is totally inexplicable via any logical paradigm.

At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event?          No      

What was your level of consciousness and alertness during the experience?           I was meditating, so was very relaxed and in what would be called an "alpha state," to use neurological terminology.

           
Was the experience dream like in any way?   No, not at all. One moment I was sitting in a very relaxed frame of mind, and the next I was startled into a sudden state of wide-eyed alertness by what I was smelling. If it had been a dream, the smell would have gone away, upon awakening, but, to the contrary, I was not asleep, and the smell was just as strong after I had opened my eyes as it was, upon sitting with them closed; indeed, it then completely filled the room.

Did you experience a separation of your consciousness from your body?     No      

What emotions did you feel during the experience?            amazement, incredulity

Did you hear any unusual sounds or noises?           No, this anomalous experience was 100% olfactory-based.

LOCATION DESCRIPTION:  Did you recognize any familiar locations or any locations from familiar religious teachings or encounter any locations inhabited by incredible or amazing creatures?    No           

Did you see a light?           No      

Did you meet or see any other beings?           No      

Did you experiment while out of the body or in another, altered state? No      

Did you observe or hear anything regarding people or events during your experience that could be verified later?          Yes     I am answering "Yes," here, with the qualification that the term "observe" is being used in a non-visual sense; i.e., I "observed" what I did by smelling what I smelled, as did those who, likewise, smelled it.

Did you notice how your 5 senses were working, and if so, how were they different?          Yes     My senses were working normally, as were those of the two colleagues who verified the entire bizarre incident.

Did you have any sense of altered space or time?   No      

Did you have a sense of knowing, special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose?    No      

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure?             No      

Did you become aware of future events?       No      

Were you involved in or aware of a decision regarding your return to the body?       No       I never left my body, to begin with.

Did you have any psychic, paranormal or other special gifts following the experience that you did not have prior to the experience?         No      

Did you have any changes of attitudes or beliefs following the experience?   No response            Most definitely. This experience, although probably not sounding too sensational to anyone else, was the most life-changing thing that has ever happened to me.  I say this because there was absolutely no possible explanation for its occurrence other than admitting the existence of some sort of paranormal influence.  Admitting such a thing is not something that I would have even considered, beforehand.  My entire life has been one of mainstream science.  Anything that smacked of the paranormal would have been cause for me to roll my eyes, smile, and think "ridiculous New Age stuff."  This experience was completely beyond any explanation, using standard scientific views.  It was verified by two other science teachers, who were asked to report if they "noticed anything," without any further prompts as to what it was that I was referring to. I still have no idea as to what it meant, but my attitude and belief about the nature of the universe now includes the idea that there are things which can be "paranormal," even though I might not know anything about them.

How has the experience affected your relationships? Daily life? Religious practices? Career choices?       It has made me open-minded, now, to just what might be real or possible.  I no longer am such a cynic, although I still remain skeptical about some of the more ludicrous things which are often seen/heard, things that are normally the result of those who seek gain/profit from their claims.

Has your life changed specifically as a result of your experience?         Yes     As stated in question #24's answer, it has--forced me--to acknowledge the existence of a much greater reality than anything I would have considered possible, beforehand.  I now am certain that there is some kind of reality which transcends that of the narrow, objective constraints found in mainstream scientific rigor.  I still don't know anything about that reality's nature, but I now am certain of its existence. That may sound like a small step, but, for me, it was a huge one.

Have you shared this experience with others?         Yes     Some people shrug and try to explain it away, whereas others react with surprise and amazement. I don't think that it really has influenced anyone, except myself, because, as stated, it was not as sensational of an event as, say, a near-death experience.

What emotions did you experience following your experience?  I guess that I have to say that it has left me with a sense of the numinous, a rather comforting feeling that there is more to this existence than what meets the eye.

What was the best and worst part of your experience?      The best part of the experience was the feeling mentioned in the last question.  The really was no bad part to it, only initial shock and disbelief as to what I was experiencing...which was quickly verified by two separate people.

Is there anything else you would like to add concerning the experience?        I would certainly like to know what it meant...if, indeed, it had any really "meaning"/message.  What was it all about, anyway?  Have there been any others who have experienced such a thing?  (This last question is the main reason that I am taking the time and trouble to fill in this questionnaire.  I would love to hear from any others who have had a similar experience)

Following the experience, have you had any other events in your life, medications or substances which reproduced any part of the experience?         No      

Did the questions asked and information you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience?               Yes     You have constructed a well-thought, comprehensive questionnaire that seems to cover all areas of relevancy.